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Note that the Colborne and Premier Way measures will be subject of a future survey.

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        1) Please comment on the speed of the traffic calming process in Mount Royal.

  Too fast   

  Acceptable     

            Too Slow

        2) What would you like to see done with the traffic circles on Frontenac?

            Remove them and replace STOP signs at Carleton. (Note: We can not add stop signs nor speed bumps due to it being a bus route)

  Finish the design, seek approval of adjacent residents and build and landscape ASAP. (Note  no one likes the design at the moment - when choosing this option you are agreeing with the concept - not the design. Here is a better alternate - Picture.)

            Leave the temporary measures in for more time.

         3) What would you like to see done with the extension on Talon Park?

            Remove it completely

            Finish the design, seek approval of adjacent residents and build and landscape ASAP.

            Leave the temporary measures in for another year.

        4) What do you think of the small traffic circles in Elbow Park. Should we try some of them in Mount Royal?

             No - I dislike the small circles

             Yes - especially if they make some partial closures unnecessary

             Yes - as an addition to the partial closures.

5) Should we try any more internal Mount Royal measures prior to the City carrying through with their promise to make the Frontenac circles permanent this year?

             No- Wait to ensure that City is carrying through with the commitment to make things permanent.

             Yes - let's put them in if the traffic counts are still too high

6) There is discussion of installing a third traffic circle on Frontenac at 8th street. Presently there is a concrete barrier that has been there for over 10 years and the STOP sign is not complied with. This - combined with other non-prohibitive measures on 8th street - may enable us to forgo additional turn restrictions on 8th at 30th. (We would wait for the other circles to be completed before proceeding)

            Yes -I like that option.

            No - I do not like that option.

7) What do you think of the pedestrian safety aspects of the traffic circles. 

(Please visit www.trafficcalming.org for background info)

           Unsafe

           Safe

           Safe -but need well defined crosswalks

8) Should we be pushing to get Hillcrest and Royal made one way out and in respectively? As shown in our original traffic plan.

  Yes

          

Yes  -but try other measures such as small circles and speed bumps first.

           No

           No  - but try other measures such as small circles and speed bumps.

9) Should we be pushing to get 7th Street made an exit only onto 17th Avenue as per our original traffic plan.

  Yes  

            Yes  -but try other measures such as small circles and speed bumps first.

            No

            No  - but try other measures such as small circles and speed bumps.

      Comments pertaining to Mount Royal Traffic in general (ie: not your street)

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Comments pertaining to your street

Background to Questions

Question 1

In this question we are simply asking about process and personal adjustment.

Question 2

The circles on Frontenac at the moment are extremely ugly and have an excess of signage due to the legal liabilities that the city has if some reckless driver slams into the large concrete blocks. Your traffic committee would like to get the community through this ugly period ASAP. The city has committed to making the circles permanent if that is our decision.

Both James Waugh and Mark Russell two  residents renowned in the field of design have offered their services to ensure that things are carried out in good taste and will fit into the Mount Royal style.

The Frontenac / 10th Street circle is working very well in the southbound direction but not too well in the northbound direction since the northbound drivers are failing to yield to cars in the circle. The permanent measure would have a larger island, removable diverter islands that would hopefully be gone once drivers figure out the circle and it would be redesigned to slow the Northbound traffic as well. The reason that the city put it in the way they did is because they want the bus to be able to fly through quickly this is where as a community we must insist that a bus behind schedule making up time is not more important than the safety of our children or seniors.

All issues such as driveways and blind alleyways would be addressed in the final design.

We are having a design meeting at the community center on Thursday March 18th at 7 pm if you have a previously undefined problem or want to be part of the design process.

Important note the city will not let us add stop signs to Carlton or 10th street because it is a bus route. We are also not allowed to add speed bumps.

 Both of these circles were completely checked out with the fire department, the police department and transit. The fire department used their actual trucks to ensure that things were fine.

 Question 3

The Talon Park extension has removed the preferred route of most of our cut through traffic. The intent is to simply expand the park area.

 Q uestion 4

We have many small intersections in Mount Royal which could handle the addition of small buttons similar to the ones in Elbow Park. These small buttons take away the straight thru feel of a roadway while at the same time maintaining full access in all directions. Possible locations for buttons would be on Royal Avenue , at 10th and Laval , at Dorchester and 10th, at Prospect and 12th. These locations would all have to be discussed with adjoining residents but they could make partial closures on Hillcrest and Royal unnecessary. We are asking for your guidance should we be looking at them as a viable option in Mount Royal ?

 Question 5

This question covers off the how much do you trust the city to do what they say.

 Question 6

This intersection at Frontenac and 8th street would lend itself very well to a traffic circle. It would make it impossible for 8th street traffic to speed down the hill as they do now. Plus a circle combined with other non-restrictive measures on 8th may make access restricting options unnecessary.

 Question 7

The benefit of a traffic circle for pedestrians is that the cars only come from one direction rather than multiple directions. Plus it is impossible for a driver to run a traffic circle like they can do at a STOP sign. The downside is that the car is not coming to a full (but noisy) stop. The permanent circles would slow drivers more than the temporary circles do now.  Landscaping will also slow the drivers down since they will lose their line of sight and slow down accordingly.

 Question 8

Our original plan had Royal Ave blocked entirely and Hillcrest made an exit only. It is obvious that Royal can not be full blocked which is why this option has become Hillcrest OUT and Royal IN with possibly some other small measures on Royal such as speed bumps or Buttons.

Neither Royal nor Hillcrest are designated as community collectors 8th street is a community collector.

5th street has been narrowed to one lane and the free flowing right turn off Elbow Drive onto 30th has been removed. These major changes around us should push more traffic onto Hillcrest and Royal however traffic counts in the spring will give us more data in this regard.

 Question 9

A major cut through route in the afternoon is to come in 7th proceed up to Hillcrest cross over to 10th, up to Premier Way, over to Carlton, up to Council Way and on to Garrison Woods area. All of our traffic circles act as a hindrance on this route as does the 40km/hr on Premier and Council. The restrictions on 8th do not help us if the traffic can fly up 7th. For residents- it is just necessary to move over one short block and use 8th. For cut through traffic closing this entrance has a huge effect.

 It is important to note that when this entrance was closed in the fall for a week the city and the community association received very few complaints and a great deal of gratitude from residents.

 It is also important to note that the Beltline area density is going to increase greatly over the next 10 years and 7th street is going to be a very attractive cut through.

 

Last modified: February 24, 2004